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		<title>By: Noel Moriarty</title>
		<link>http://www.reallyclear.co.uk/keeping-it-in-the-family-or-how-to-lose-business-and-influence-no-one/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Noel Moriarty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good article, plenty of us suffer at the hands of the not so gifted amateur.  What adds to the issue though is the fact that most businesses still think that internet marketing = online brochure, and that all you need to do is to invest as little as possible, because it won&#039;t actually generate any ROI for you anyway, or not that you can measure, so do it to &quot;put ourselves online, that&#039;s all we need to do isn&#039;t it?&quot;.

Some of the answer (not all) lies in education of the business owners that marketing through the internet is about more than this.  The web has changed in the last 10 years, when an online brochure might have been relevant, into something where the buyer seller relationship has changed immensely, brought about by ubiquitous information available through Google (et al) and the two-way nature of the best these days, aka user-generated content and social media. 

If businesses want to use it for marketing, they need to think differently, and then the role / objective of the website in a wider internet infrastructure of tools for brand building, comms and lead generation mean that the passive brochure is even more of a waste of money, time and effort.  Business consultants have as much of a role to play in this in advising their clients to know better - there are many of those who seem to share the same belief.

The internet trade itself hasn&#039;t done much to help itself either by making many of the tools free at the point of use, so it&#039;s easy for the inexperienced to think that they can take a DiY approach, or why spend money on the consultant when I can do it myself?

You may interpret that I&#039;m on a mission to rid the nation of brochure websites, and I am.  But it does need the client to at least have the marbles to realise there is more to it than putting a brochure online to achieve an ROI for the business.  I&#039;m not interested in pushing water uphill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, plenty of us suffer at the hands of the not so gifted amateur.  What adds to the issue though is the fact that most businesses still think that internet marketing = online brochure, and that all you need to do is to invest as little as possible, because it won&#8217;t actually generate any ROI for you anyway, or not that you can measure, so do it to &#8220;put ourselves online, that&#8217;s all we need to do isn&#8217;t it?&#8221;.</p>
<p>Some of the answer (not all) lies in education of the business owners that marketing through the internet is about more than this.  The web has changed in the last 10 years, when an online brochure might have been relevant, into something where the buyer seller relationship has changed immensely, brought about by ubiquitous information available through Google (et al) and the two-way nature of the best these days, aka user-generated content and social media. </p>
<p>If businesses want to use it for marketing, they need to think differently, and then the role / objective of the website in a wider internet infrastructure of tools for brand building, comms and lead generation mean that the passive brochure is even more of a waste of money, time and effort.  Business consultants have as much of a role to play in this in advising their clients to know better &#8211; there are many of those who seem to share the same belief.</p>
<p>The internet trade itself hasn&#8217;t done much to help itself either by making many of the tools free at the point of use, so it&#8217;s easy for the inexperienced to think that they can take a DiY approach, or why spend money on the consultant when I can do it myself?</p>
<p>You may interpret that I&#8217;m on a mission to rid the nation of brochure websites, and I am.  But it does need the client to at least have the marbles to realise there is more to it than putting a brochure online to achieve an ROI for the business.  I&#8217;m not interested in pushing water uphill.</p>
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		<title>By: barclay@reallyclear.co.uk</title>
		<link>http://www.reallyclear.co.uk/keeping-it-in-the-family-or-how-to-lose-business-and-influence-no-one/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[barclay@reallyclear.co.uk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the comments Jake, much appreciated. I agree designers have to start somewhere and a talented relative can do a good job. I also agree if a designer, copywriter or consultant can&#039;t add value over and above the relative then best to back off. Ironically, the incident which inspired the blog wasn&#039;t actually a relative doing the job, but a relative telling my client who he should use to do the job! The result has been an expensive, time-wasting disaster - and it would probably be unprofessional as well as discourteous to tell him I warned him that it might happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments Jake, much appreciated. I agree designers have to start somewhere and a talented relative can do a good job. I also agree if a designer, copywriter or consultant can&#8217;t add value over and above the relative then best to back off. Ironically, the incident which inspired the blog wasn&#8217;t actually a relative doing the job, but a relative telling my client who he should use to do the job! The result has been an expensive, time-wasting disaster &#8211; and it would probably be unprofessional as well as discourteous to tell him I warned him that it might happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.reallyclear.co.uk/keeping-it-in-the-family-or-how-to-lose-business-and-influence-no-one/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree whole heartily with the frustration that comes with &quot;we need a professional website&quot; tons of research and planning for the client to go &quot;my son knows how to do websites so well use him&quot; however.. Weren&#039;t we all at some point that kid stealing your job?

When I first started many times I heard &quot;you know photoshop, do us some cards for a tenner?&quot; and it&#039;s brilliant.. It made me realise how much I love designing and pushed me to start running my own business.

If that ever happens I try and persuade the client why I&#039;m better than a kid with an illegal copy of photoshop - and if they still don&#039;t see the benefit.. Don&#039;t waste your time on someone who won&#039;t appreciate your training and work.

Brilliant post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree whole heartily with the frustration that comes with &#8220;we need a professional website&#8221; tons of research and planning for the client to go &#8220;my son knows how to do websites so well use him&#8221; however.. Weren&#8217;t we all at some point that kid stealing your job?</p>
<p>When I first started many times I heard &#8220;you know photoshop, do us some cards for a tenner?&#8221; and it&#8217;s brilliant.. It made me realise how much I love designing and pushed me to start running my own business.</p>
<p>If that ever happens I try and persuade the client why I&#8217;m better than a kid with an illegal copy of photoshop &#8211; and if they still don&#8217;t see the benefit.. Don&#8217;t waste your time on someone who won&#8217;t appreciate your training and work.</p>
<p>Brilliant post.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.reallyclear.co.uk/keeping-it-in-the-family-or-how-to-lose-business-and-influence-no-one/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More and more we see half cocked and ill put together plans by the &#039;kid next door&#039; who has worked for nothing and of course knows nothing - that&#039;s why they were cheap, and business owners thinking they have it right when clearly it is wrong. I personally don&#039;t think that any website, any graphic, any copy or adwords campaign solves a business problem. However together, with a little congruency it&#039;s possible to make a proper plan. 

And that is what surprises me in this present environment. Many business owners are looking for cheap, they then get the same as a the masses, competing on price in a  competitive area (Woolworths springs to mind) = The Poorhouse. 

Lets look at Adwords for example, we have recently been working with a few small firms that have had campaigns put in place, with no targeting, no end result in mind and no specific content for that highly targeted traffic and they wonder why &#039;adwords&#039; doesn&#039;t work for their business. 

For the two firms I am working with currently we have increased turnover by 30% in less than three months, by following a process and by going against the herd, oh and by following a reasonable process without doing anything &#039;on the cheap&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More and more we see half cocked and ill put together plans by the &#8216;kid next door&#8217; who has worked for nothing and of course knows nothing &#8211; that&#8217;s why they were cheap, and business owners thinking they have it right when clearly it is wrong. I personally don&#8217;t think that any website, any graphic, any copy or adwords campaign solves a business problem. However together, with a little congruency it&#8217;s possible to make a proper plan. </p>
<p>And that is what surprises me in this present environment. Many business owners are looking for cheap, they then get the same as a the masses, competing on price in a  competitive area (Woolworths springs to mind) = The Poorhouse. </p>
<p>Lets look at Adwords for example, we have recently been working with a few small firms that have had campaigns put in place, with no targeting, no end result in mind and no specific content for that highly targeted traffic and they wonder why &#8216;adwords&#8217; doesn&#8217;t work for their business. </p>
<p>For the two firms I am working with currently we have increased turnover by 30% in less than three months, by following a process and by going against the herd, oh and by following a reasonable process without doing anything &#8216;on the cheap&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: barclay@reallyclear.co.uk</title>
		<link>http://www.reallyclear.co.uk/keeping-it-in-the-family-or-how-to-lose-business-and-influence-no-one/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[barclay@reallyclear.co.uk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 13:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Tony, thanks for the feedback. I think you have sown the seeds for another blog!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tony, thanks for the feedback. I think you have sown the seeds for another blog!</p>
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		<title>By: tony holborn</title>
		<link>http://www.reallyclear.co.uk/keeping-it-in-the-family-or-how-to-lose-business-and-influence-no-one/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tony holborn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Barclay,

Great article and very well written, we&#039;ve been in business for almost twenty years and have seen this type of scenario being played out time and time again.

&#039;Graphic design vs Client&#039; youtube clips have been around for quite a while now but still makes me laugh every time I see them.

Also we know so many businesses that once a really successful corporate re brand, direct mail campaign, website etc..etc.. has been achieve with successful, positive and profitable results any future marketing materials etc. are taken in house or a cheaper route found. 

i.e. the client or a member of staff suddenly become a graphic designer over night especially if they have access to &#039;micro soft word&#039;

Kind regards Tony]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Barclay,</p>
<p>Great article and very well written, we&#8217;ve been in business for almost twenty years and have seen this type of scenario being played out time and time again.</p>
<p>&#8216;Graphic design vs Client&#8217; youtube clips have been around for quite a while now but still makes me laugh every time I see them.</p>
<p>Also we know so many businesses that once a really successful corporate re brand, direct mail campaign, website etc..etc.. has been achieve with successful, positive and profitable results any future marketing materials etc. are taken in house or a cheaper route found. </p>
<p>i.e. the client or a member of staff suddenly become a graphic designer over night especially if they have access to &#8216;micro soft word&#8217;</p>
<p>Kind regards Tony</p>
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